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Discuss The Dyslexic Advantage here! What passages resonated with you? What are some of your personal experiences?

 

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Dyslexic Advantage - The Book Discussion

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Would you like to talk about the book? Did any parts of the book resonate with you? Do you have any questions?

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Drs. Fernette and Brock Eide Comment by Drs. Fernette and Brock Eide on December 17, 2011 at 11:18am

Wow Dave. Thanks for your amazing words. It's so great to hear what you've said.

Makes us redouble our efforts to get the word out. Just think of how many people are dissuaded from paths where they could really thrive and even transform.

Many thanks for your offer. Yes - would be great to get the message out to more people. Let us know if there's anything else we could be doing better here.

We would love to completely upend what people think of when they think of dyslexia. There is a tremendous need.

Dave Niebuhr Comment by Dave Niebuhr on December 16, 2011 at 11:41am

I finally got through this book, and all I can say is Thank you!!! Thank you!!! Thank you!!! .. a million times. This was an incredible experience for me and soooo many things resonated with me, it felt like it was explaining my life. I didn’t find out until recently (age 31) that I was diagnosed with dyslexia in second grade by a panel of physiologist and teachers and displayed dyslexia traits strong enough that I should be placed in a special school. Due to the stigma around dyslexia, my parents didn’t believe in “crutches” so I struggled through regular school,  their teaching methods, and special ed classes (which I don’t think were equipped to help me and were horrible for kids picking on you) trying to hold onto a normal pace and majority times failing miserable (especially in grade school). Parts of this literally made me cry, and I can’t tell you how much “relief” this brings me in helping me understand why I am, how to grow, and actually being really happy about it.

 

Thankfully, career wise I ended up naturally gravitating toward my what I now know are my “I strengths”, and have a very successful career in SEO, data / trend analysis, and now contribute it largely to my dyslexia.

 

After reading ways to grow dyslexic children through no doubtfully the most difficult times of their lives, and the different methods for growing skills in reading, writing, comprehension (all the chapters after the MIND strengths) several things struck me pretty hard.

  • I believe some of my other strengths were completely crushed, or never got the chance to develop, due to schooling in “their manner” etc.. and failing. Due to failing I don’t think I ever explored my potential in some of the other MIND strengths. I simply gave up and thought I was no good .. and would never be able to do it.
  • I need to go back and try many of these methods on myself in learning phonics / and sentence structure .. as I struggle greatly with those, and it is relieving it might be less my ability and more the “training” I received.
  • All the info on text to readers etc.. is amazing… I love learning new topics, understanding things, and broadening my perspective on the world .. however reading time has always been a big hindrance for me and turned me off from reading anything more than a magazine or a web article.. if I can find ways to consume content rapidly via text readers this will be life changing for me .. I am really excited to explore this.
  • Most importantly I have a 1.5 year old daughter and another son on the way. I think it is too early to understand if they have dyslexia, but it is very strong on my side and slightly on my wife’s side. So we feel there is a good chance one of both might. I am now excited to nurture them. I know it won’t be easy, but I also know I can help give them a rich positive childhood in academics and full exploration of their strengths. Where prior I feared for them having the same experience as I had and come out of schooling with the necessary confidence to go get what they want in life.

 

So THANK YOU!!!

 

On a side note, I want to help in changing the general stigma around dyslexia. I professionally do search engine optimization, social strategies, and general online marketing. If at anytime someone in this community needs help / guidance on how to ensure these type of messages about dyslexia surface to the top in search engines (or use it as ways to bring awareness in the lack of organizations supporting this) please let me know. I would love to help, and make sure anyone “searching” for this info gets the correct info.

 

Thanks,

-Dave

Steve Richter Comment by Steve Richter on October 31, 2011 at 9:59pm

When is the second edition planned?

Drs. Fernette and Brock Eide Comment by Drs. Fernette and Brock Eide on October 31, 2011 at 9:57pm

Woo hoo! Thanks, Jane!  This is so great to hear!

 

BTW, I was thinking we could share some of our experiences about writing the book...

 

When we interviewed Douglas Merrill (ex-Google Chief Information Officer), we expected to put him in our "Interconnected" chapter, but when he told us that he processed everything as a story, we put him in the "Narrative Thinking" chapter as well. We hadn't known that he had worked for Charles Schwab, it was neat to hear that he found that by working for him (they shared dyslexia) they shared a similar talent of being able to see the story arc - how things would change develop, what the end result would be, and what people would want. 

When we spoke with Matt Schneps at the Harvard Center for Astrophysics, we enjoyed hearing about how although he struggled with reading, he pushed himself to read through some of Einstein's works in physics with his dad (he had heard he might have dyslexia too). He was inspired by Einstein - and could related to his visualization and thought experiments.

 

One of the hardest things was having to leave so much out to keep the book from getting too long. Everyone we spoke to had such a heart for helping up and coming students with dyslexia. They knew how hard it is in school.

Jane Carroll Comment by Jane Carroll on October 25, 2011 at 10:48am

My daughter's teacher actually READ this book! She is changing her approach with her and adding keyboarding time!!! YEAH!!!! Thank you for writing this!!!

Every teacher should read it!!!

Drs. Fernette and Brock Eide Comment by Drs. Fernette and Brock Eide on October 23, 2011 at 9:16am
FYI, there is an active discussion of The Dyslexic Advantage on The Well Trained Mind forum - many also share resources from homeschooling http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318419
Drs. Fernette and Brock Eide Comment by Drs. Fernette and Brock Eide on October 23, 2011 at 9:15am
Hi Marie, There have been attempts to quantitate 3D processing in standard neuropsychological exams - Johns Hopkins CTY (gifted program) uses a computer based Spatial Battery in the hopes of recognizing mental rotation talents  - but for example the 3d navigation maze test that showed dyslexics stronger than non-dyslexics was a test specially designed for the research question they wanted to study - and is not a commercially available psychology test.
CelticMom Comment by CelticMom on October 10, 2011 at 6:57pm

Nothing can ever truly be straightfoward with dyslexia, can it? ;-)  But it does seem that between working memory & processing speed that processing speed is more likely to be on the lower side.

I also found interesting the idea of a difference between 2-D & 3-D visual/spatial processing. Can you give an example of a test that assesses 3-D processing?

Drs. Fernette and Brock Eide Comment by Drs. Fernette and Brock Eide on October 10, 2011 at 1:08pm
The issue of working memory and ADHD in dyslexia is a complex one. The typical pattern for students we see with dyslexia using IQ tests like the WISC-IV or WAIS-IV is that the verbal and nonverbal scores are the highest (there are some variations of course - some stronger with spatial reasoning than others) and gifted range, working memory is average, and processing speed average or a little below average.
CelticMom Comment by CelticMom on October 10, 2011 at 11:35am

There is so much I could say and I am still reading the book. You have referred to the idea of working memory getting overwhelmed. Will most dyslexics have a lower score on tests of working memory, or do some/most score at least in the average range but still have a working memory that gets functionally overwhelmed because so many tasks that should be automatic or fluent are not?

Also, I've seen mentions of challenges with attention. I may need to go back and re-read on that one, but how does this typically manifest in a dyslexic & is it different from someone who gets the ADHD label?